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Entrevistas realizadas durante el 4º Encuentro internacional Inclusiva-net: Redes y procesos P2P

Entrevistas realizadas a algunos de los participantes en el 4º Encuentro Inclusiva-net: Redes y procesos P2P, celebrado en Medialab-Prado Madrid del 6 al 10 de julio de 2009.

Entrevista con Ulises Ali Mejías:

Entrevista con María PTKQ:

Entrevista con Andreu Whelan:

Entrevista con Ál Cano Santana:

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Leeching Bataille: peer-to-peer Potlatch and the Acephalic Response, by Andrew Whelan

Abstract of the paper presented by Andrew Whelan at the 4th Inclusiva-net meeting, July 10th.


As a model of resource distribution, social interaction, and collective content management, peer-to-peer technologies (p2p) offer unprecedented insights into the contemporary organisation of information and the limitations of the legal, cultural, and institutional frameworks under which this organisation is currently managed. The utopian ideal of p2p music distribution, for instance, imagines the largest collectively and voluntarily maintained, decentralised (and thus easily accessible), and free archive of recorded sound in human history. P2p is often associated with open source, hacker, creative commons, and general collaborative approaches to content production and distribution, and with the dissemination of a number of niche genres which would otherwise have remained largely unknown (or, indeed, might never have developed at all). Taken in its broader environment, p2p has also arguably been instrumental to the emergence of netlabels as distributive and cultural phenomena. It cannot be doubted that the impact of p2p on the established music industry, the legal framework in which it operates, and the practices of artists, fans and consumers has been profound, and it can also be argued that p2p in some ways contributed to the ground for the user-generated content and participatory nature of ‘Web 2.0’.

For some time, it has been popular to conceptualise p2p with frameworks drawn from anthropological economics, which bypass the normative catallactic assumptions about market behaviour associated with neoclassical economism (the ‘rational’, means/end calculating, self-interested market agent and so on). In particular, the array of concepts around the economy of the gift, derived variously from Mauss, Malinowski and others, have been deployed to account for the ostensibly ‘irrational’ altruism and reciprocity which seem to characterise so much p2p activity. However, it may be that this use of theories of the gift tend to exaggerate and romanticise the benevolence of p2p behaviour, and unwittingly enforce the utopian idealism associated with p2p as a social practice with political implications, and as an alternative model for the equitable distribution of cultural goods.

For the purposes of this paper, I would like to suggest that there are good grounds for considering p2p in broader terms, considering its excessive and ‘destructive’ as well as ‘constructive’ aspects. Such consideration could contribute productively to the critical assessment and invigoration of accounts of p2p as an exercise in consumer sovereignty, collective solidarity, participatory culture, and political action. To this end, I suggest a perspective informed by the ‘accursed share’ of Bataille’s general economy, in which superabundance and excess are inherent, inevitable and yet nonetheless continuously threatening to the status quo. In this way I hope that both the excessive and problematic tendencies of p2p culture (which it is sensible to enumerate), and the bizarre over-reactions to it, can be elaborated and better contextualised. Bataille’s general economy effectively collapses the isolation of ‘economy’ as a form of cultural flow, and thus perhaps one of the most significant benefits it offers is an interest in circulations otherwise not usually considered: the musical and cultural forms which p2p users themselves gift to the content industries and society at large. Rather than persisting in valorising the potentials of p2p and contrasting it with the market’s ongoing assimilation of the commons into private hands, this paper proposes a devil’s advocate critique of p2p culture, grounded in observations concerning its current forms and directions, the limits to its use arising from the identitarian preoccupations and practices of many of its users, weaknesses in the system which derive precisely from its populism, and the very real problem of superabundance of cultural content.

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Más allá de la crisis de la industria discográfica: redes P2P, música y experiencia cultural generacional, por Hector Fouce

Resumen de la comunicación presentada por Hector Fouce en el 4º Encuentro Inclusiva-net, 10 de julio.

El debate contemporáneo sobre el uso de las redes P2P para intercambio de música tiende a focalizarse bien en la legalidad o ilegalidad de estas prácticas, bien en su relación con la crisis de la industria discográfica. Sin embargo, muy pocos trabajos han reflexionado sobre cómo las redes P2P han cambiado la experiencia cultural ligada a la música. En este trabajo, basado en la investigación “Prácticas emergentes y nuevas tecnologías: el caso de la música digital en España”, presento un pequeño estudio de caso en el que se han indagado en cómo tres grupos de edad (adolescentes, universitarios y jóvenes adultos) usan las redes P2P, cómo las valoran y cómo las ligan a su experiencia cotidiana.

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Los piratas son los padres: de defender los derechos relacionados con el intercambio en la red, por Simona Levi, en representación de EXGAE

Resumen de la comunicación presentada por Simona Levi, en representación de EXGAE, en el 4º Encuentro Inclusiva-net, 9 de julio.

Difusión del trabajo internacional y nacional que se está haciendo, desde una perspectiva legal y filosofica, para defender el intercambio P2P.

EXGAE es la primera asesoría legal permanente casi gratuita especializada en librar a los ciudadanos de los abusos de las entidades de gestión y de la industría cultural (recibimos una media de 50000 visitas mensuales  y trabajamos en colaboración con redes internacionales como Blackouteurope.eu)
http://exgae.net/que-es-exgae

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Implementation Challenges for P2P Systems in Mobile Network Environments, by Antoine Fressancourt

Abstract of the paper presented by Antoine Fressancourt at the 4th Inclusiva-net meeting, July 8th.

While peer to peer systems and applications are now quite mature and widely used on fixed networks for a variety of uses (voice over IP, video streaming, file sharing…), only few attempts were made to use the concepts and techniques of peer to peer systems in mobile networks. Indeed, several constraints due to the specificities of mobile networks prevent the deployment of mobile peer to peer applications. Mobile network operators prevent the spread of peer to peer applications on their networks for economical reasons, because peer to peer applications compete with services they offer. Besides, the signalling overhead introduced by peer to peer systems involves an increase in the traffic on mobile data networks, while the IP connectivity over cellular networks is a limited resource.

Nevertheless, the tremendous increase of the capabilities of mobile network terminals and new approaches taking into account the specificities and constraints of GPRS, EDGE, UMTS and LTE mobile data networks tend to ease the deployment of peer to peer systems by tackling the specific issues of these networks.

This project presents the design of a peer to peer overlay networks mixing both mobile and fixed clients, where mobile nodes collaborate with fixed nodes for resource-intensive operations, such as signalling or discovery operations which consume a lot of network resources.

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OpenMaterials: P2P Theory in Practice, by Kirsty Boyle and Catarina Mota

Abstract of the paper presented by Kirsty Boyle and Catarina Mota at the 4th Inclusiva-net meeting, July 8th.


OpenMaterials is a research group dedicated to open investigation and experimentation with DIY production methods and uses of materials. In the spirit of the open source software and hardware movements, we hope to promote materials to be researched and developed in a public, collaborative manner. We see materials as an open resource, and wish to establish an open  process for exploring and sharing knowledge, techniques and applications related to materials science.

This project was initiated by Catarina Mota and Kirsty Boyle in 2009. It was during Interactivos?’09: Garage Science, hosted by Medialab Prado, that Catarina and Kirsty met, along with the core of the openMaterials collaborators. It was also at this time that the idea for creating an open research platform investigating materials was conceived. Interactivos?’09: Garage Science was an intensive project development workshop (January 28 through February 14, 2009) and a seminar that explored practices where art, science and technology meet. Participants were invited to turn the Medialab Prado into a garage laboratory where low-cost, accessible materials were used to develop objects and installations that combine software, hardware and biology.

Inspired by Eric Raymond’s comment in ‘The Cathedral and the Bazaar’, regarding the bazaar style which he described as “a great babbling bazaar of differing agendas and approaches”, we hope to encourage discourse and experimentation with the broadest range of materials and processes possible.

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Conditions for the Radicality of the P2P Paradigm, by Michel Bauwens

Abstract of the seminar presented by Michel Bauwens at the 4th Inclusiva-net meeting, July 7th.

Peer to peer is essentially a tool or ‘model’, but whether it can be used for emancipatory purposes depends on a integrated set of conditions. The P2P Foundation has brought together a community of researchers and activists interested in using peer to peer paradigms in every area of social life, and as a pluralist network, combines many different frameworks of understanding, both post-liberal and post-socialist. In this seminar, we will attempt to describe the emergence of p2p models in various domains, look at their commonalities, and see how they can be integrated in a strategy for social change, that creates the conditions for a sustainable and ‘just’ society. Different scenarios will be presented, from the full integration of p2p in a market economy, via hybrid modes, via the hypothesis of a political economy where peer to peer would be the core logic of value creation.

Resumen del seminario impartido por Michel Bauwens en el 4º Encuentro Inclusiva-net, 7 de julio.

Una red “de igual a igual” es fundamentalmente una herramienta o un ’modelo’, pero su utilización con fines emancipatorios depende de la combinación de una serie de condiciones. La Fundación P2P ha reunido a una comunidad de investigadores y activistas interesados en utilizar paradigmas “de igual a igual” en cada una de las áreas de la vida social, y como toda red pluralista, combina muchos esquemas de comprensión diferentes, tanto post-liberales como post-socialistas. En este seminario, intentaremos describir la aparición de los modelos p2p en diversos campos, observaremos sus similitudes, y estudiaremos como integrarlos en una estrategia para el cambio social que origine las condiciones adecuadas para una sociedad sostenible y ‘justa’. Se presentarán diferentes perspectivas, desde la completa integración de p2p en una economía de mercado, vía modos híbridos, a través de la hipótesis de una economía política donde el paradigma “de igual a igual” constituiría el núcleo lógico para la creación de valores.

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The use of P2P Networks as a source of culture manifestation in Brazil, by Karla Brunet

Abstract of the paper presented by Karla Brunet at the 4th Inclusiva-net meeting, July 7th.

The proposal of this communication is a research on P2P network having the example Submidialogia, a network that I am part of since 2005. In a country with geographic extensions as Brazil, the use of P2P network has an important role in the way we produce culture. This paper presents how network, collective creation and emergence are embedded in some practices of digital Brazilian culture as the case of Submidialogia, a group formed to debate and produce digital culture.

As a non-hierarchic self-organized network of less than 200 people spread over the five regions of Brazil, Submidialogia uses a discussion list as the starting point of its manifestations. The network is a way to connect a variety of small projects and events that take place in different parts of the country. It is a voluntary social organization to debate the politics of digital culture and to manifest on diverse subjects ranging from technology and ecology to gender issues.

Free cooperation and the democratization of content are basis of the practices of Submidialogia. And these practices can come out of the discussion list or from the meetings that we organize every year. They emerge in a variety of forms, such as the creation of books (GPL licensed), CDs, public intervention, community radio, activism, computer literacy, mappings, software and hardware experimentation, discussion panels, workshops, performances, image exhibition and video festival.

Since 2005, Submidialogia is active and creates a fluent and large network of people and manifestations that have repercussions in different sectors of society. It presents the potential offered by network structures, many to many communication and P2P collaborations to provoke changes on digital culture in Brazil.

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Guifi.net: Red Libre, Abierta y Neutral; De la Web 2.0 a la Web Libre y punto

Resumen de la comunicación presentada por Ál Cano Santana en el 4º Encuentro Inclusiva-net, 7 de julio.

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Guifi.net es una red ciudadana libre con más de 7.000 nodos interconectados (sobretodo en Cataluña, pero en actual proceso de ampliación, por ejemplo en Madrid) donde son las propias personas usuarias las que desarrollan y tienen la propiedad de la red. Sobre esta red son también las usuarias las que proveen de servidores, servicios y contenidos, quedando fuera del control gubernamental las comunicaciones y archivos que en ellos se comparten.

Web Libre y punto es una filosofía de desarrollo y uso de Web Social o Web 2.0 donde las usuarias mantienen el control del software, de los protocolos, de los formatos, de los servidores, de la propia red, de las relaciones sociales y de los contenidos que se generan a través de ellas.

El trabajar con este tipo de tecnologías libres contribuye a la facilitación de un proceso de empoderamiento y autocapacitación personal y colectiva, el enrequecimiento de la comunicación personal y de grupo y la creación de conocimientos accesibles. Todo ello ha propiciado la liberación de posiciones de sujeto habitables públicamente con poder para llevar a cabo acciones políticas.

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P2P dynamics and cultural institutions - discussion day 1

7 July 2009 - After the fascinating talks by Ál Cano Santana and Karla Brunet we, the participants of Inclusiva, gathered in a large circle and introduced ourselves to the group. The participants come from all over the world: Spain, Hungary, the US, Ireland, Australia, Portugual, Thailand — and I’m sure I’ve missed a few. I feel honored to be part of such an amazing and passionate group of people.

After introductions, we split into four smaller discussion groups focused on: Citizenship, participation and P2P governance, P2P processes in the production of knowledge and education, Conflicts and legal controversies between institutions P2P networks, and P2P dynamics and cultural institutions

I participated in this last group, discussing cultural institutions. We began by asking questions, posing dilemmas that we, as practicationers, organizers and theorists, face in meaningfully engaging P2P networks in the context of cultural instituions. — How should cultural institutions balance the tension between standards and ideals of P2P software and dynamics – as the technical and social approach to networks are inextricably linked. For example, should institutions who wish to embrace open P2P dynamics use closed, proprietary platforms such as Flash or even Facebook? What kinds of language do we use on sites to achieve a sense of inclusion and participation?

The question of coordination and modes of organization also was a topic of discussion. How can institutions can take on the role of facilitating rather than prescribing cultural content and production? What, for example, is the role of curators? How does the professionalization of cultural institutions coexist with P2P dynamics? We also discussed the importance of transparency and an openness to the practices that enable production. How might the very role of cultural institutions be changing, perhaps shifting to a more facilitator and production-centered approach?

We have decided to merge theory with practice and will be visiting other cultural institutions here in Madrid such as the Hamlab at el Patio Maravillas, EOI and the Reina Sofia, hopefully speaking with them about how they have attempted to deploy the structures and values of P2P networks.

I’ll keep posting about our visits and the rest of the conference – and of course, please join the disscussion here in the comments section or on the forums.

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